The Western Islanders of Norway

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1. Robin May 25, 2020 Reply

   What about germany? So many that I know RH negs, especially in recent years have a German connection. The rh negative factor most prominent is my father’s family the germans. My mother’s family is Irish high rh neg family yet my mother is positive. I don’t like change,however, you mentioned migratory characteristics. It’s interesting. Thank you. I have noticed that strong connection latley. And sure enough when I ask blood type there negative. Last two were German Irish like myself.

• Richard Youatt May 26, 2020 Reply

  From Mike’s national stats, Germany has a total population of 82,329,759. 85% are Rh Positive and 15% Rh negative. Of that 15% 40% are O-, 40% A-, 13.3 % B- and 6.67% AB-.

  Interesting that neighboring Poland has total population of 38,482,919 %80.34% Rh Positive and 19.66 % Rh Negative. Of that 19.9% 33.1 % are O-, 38.0 A-, 19.58 B- and 8.34% AB -.

  I think that my own Rh Neg type B comes from my paternal grandmother nee Spiers. They were “French” Huguenots …but there were Huguenots in what is now Germany as well. My father did have a prominent “‘widow’s peak”. People claimed that it was a Huguenot (not Rh neg) trait.

  Eastern Germans do have a higher proportion of blood type B…which makes good sense in light of the clines established by Mourant for blood group B. In WW2 they were considered as “inferior” Germans.

2. Richard Youatt May 26, 2020 Reply

   Yes…I do remember reading that. It does fit in some ways with the idea of the Basque country having been a refuge (under conditions of extreme climate change). The early hunters are said to have left the refuge and headed up the Atlantic coast of France, towards Ireland, then Scotland and then Lapland. Some form of genetic trail makes sense in that context. That info. comes from Irish and Scottish sources, who say little about southerly migrations (i.e Atlas mountains of Morocco and Lake Chad.)

   Ancient back migrations are very difficult to figure out, since current location and identity does not explain the migration dates and paths.

   The science of establishing dates for genetic mutations is improving and shedding some light on the ancient patterns of the “Mediterranean” and North African peoples. Much of it is initially counter-intuitive…but also very plausible.

   The more precise genomic analysis of the Rh (D) deletion may be helpful.

3. Arno Swanepoel May 26, 2020 Reply

   My family are from German origin ,Meisenheimer.We are South-African now.A Meg.RH Neg .Born with red hair,went to blonde then dark ,eyes always black.Auburn tinges slways popping up LOL.Must say the only downside is electronics dont like me……Love your site !
   Arno Swanepoel.

4. Allison Ally May 27, 2020 Reply

   Since blue or green eyes and red hair, commonly seen in rH negatives, are recessive then doesn’t it seem unlikely that Chad would be the original location of rH negative people? Just a thought, please correct me if I’m on the wrong track here.

• Mike DammannAuthor May 27, 2020 Reply

  The Chad origin “theory” makes no sense for many reasons. First off, the original and predominant population of Chad is not Berber. Obviously, it is a smaller tribe that once wandered into the region.

• Richard Youatt May 27, 2020 Reply

  The “smaller tribe” theory is in line with Cavalli-Sforza’s original observations. With more context, the difference between his ideas and the person summarizing and commenting on them become clearer. I have copied the pertinent section below:

  THE Rh-NEGATIVE BLOOD FACTOR
  The people of the first ocean-born migration, which populated the northwest coast of Europe, had a very special blood peculiarity that their descendants are still living with today. This was the only tribe in the world with many of its members having Rh-negative blood. Dr. Luigi Cavalli-Sforza published a map of the populations with the highest percentage of their members with Rh-negative blood. He wrote:

  “Rh-negative genes are frequent in Europe, infrequent in Africa and West Asia, and virtually absent in East Asia and among the aboriginal populations of America and Australia. One can estimate degrees of relatedness by subtracting the percentage of Rh-negative individuals among, say, the English (16%) from that among the Basques (25%) to find a difference of nine percentage points. But between the English and East Asians it becomes 16 points, a greater distance that perhaps implies a more ancient separation”.(14)

  The highest percentage is found among some of the tribes still living in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco (40%). The next highest are the Basques, reported in different publications as having 25 and 32%, depending on location. The people of northwest Ireland, the Highland Scots and the western islanders of Norway all have between 16 and 25%, while the Lapps of Norway and Finland have between 5 and 7%. In addition, Cavalli-Sforza reports two small isolated populations of the same tribe, one in Chad and another in Senegal, each with about 25%. On his map, he shows an Rh-negative population in Chad, still living near the formerly enormous Chad lake. Only part of this lake still exists on the spot where the boundaries of Chad, Niger, Nigeria and Cameroon meet. These people may originally have been the sailors on Chad lake. Could it be that this is the original location of the Rh-negative population that then moved to Morocco and Algiers to become the Berbers? Or would it be the other way around?

5. Diane Talbot June 5, 2020 Reply

   I do feel alone, always,, I run in the rain ans thunder and lightening

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